Move event presence from initiative facilitator to initiative coordinator

Created on 19 August 2023, over 1 year ago
Updated 21 August 2023, over 1 year ago

Problem/Motivation

Following up on this comment from Gábor Hojtsy in #2974016: Add "committer team facilitator" and "core initiative facilitator" roles to core governance . This was deemed out of scope of there so it is moved to here.

Re #17, I think the initiative coordinator's job would include making sure the initiative has event presence (contribution events and BoFs), so I don't think there is a new role to be introduced, that should move to the initiative coordinator role IMHO. Its otherwise arbitrarily disconnected from the initiatives. With the core team facilitator where it is, the role does not require
to participate in the initiatives themselves, yet it would be a responsibility to do this part only. It feels odd there IMHO.

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Proposed resolution

Move this task from the initiative facilitator to the initiative coordinator
- Plan strategic core "birds of a feather" sessions at major Drupal events.

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Postponed on #2974016: Add "committer team facilitator" and "core initiative facilitator" roles to core governance

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🇳🇿New Zealand quietone

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  • Issue created by @quietone
  • Status changed to Postponed over 1 year ago
  • 🇺🇸United States xjm

    Maybe we actually want both roles helping with this, assuming they have sufficient time? It's definitely an initiative coordinator area, but it's also not a single-person task unless that person abandons all their other work in favor of doing this during the weeks before the event.

    Gábor and I generally worked on this collaboratively. The original idea was to offload my usual task of spending a week chasing down 50-80 maintainers' schedules, getting them to provide their availability, checking with Dries for his availability, and then solving the intricate puzzle of scheduling 8 different critical discussions around all those requirements to the committer team facilitator, since scheduling and sorting this kind of data is a facilitation skill, not an initiative or release management one. (I literally had a shell script to collate availability and suggest meeting times since it was such a complicated puzzle to solve. We tried to have Dries' EA help with this also but she didn't use the shell script and so there were attendance conflicts etc. that were not addressed.

    More recently (and especially since my layoff from DAT) I just haven't helped as much as I used to, and we only ended up having a handful of meetings at post-COVID events anyway.

  • 🇺🇸United States xjm
  • Status changed to Postponed: needs info over 1 year ago
  • 🇭🇺Hungary Gábor Hojtsy Hungary

    I think the words "- Plan strategic core "birds of a feather" sessions at major Drupal events." don't refer to the "hard problem meetings" we used to have but rather to support the funnel of contributors of initiatives. Point 2 in https://www.hojtsy.hu/blog/2022-apr-13/gather-interest-and-involve-contr... basically. This would fall squarely within the initiative coordinator, at least on the meta level like the rest of the things. So I don't understand the need to move this to a followup, its IMHO misleading to put this under the core team facilitator since the core team did not have open BoFs at events that I know of? So its very oddly placed there IMHO.

    If this point is about the "hard problem meetings" then IMHO it does not sound like that, so it needs to be reworded in the original issue and also does not need a followup.

  • 🇺🇸United States xjm

    @Gábor Hojtsy We started using the BOF system to schedule the meetings many years ago due to concerns (mostly from @webchick) about them being "closed" or "secret", and to make it easier to work with the DA to schedule them without a special funding source. Others (possibly also @webchick) had concerns about our slang "Hard Problems" being... dunno, discouraging or implying a burden to participants or something. So that's at least my assumption regarding the language here.

  • Status changed to Needs work over 1 year ago
  • 🇺🇸United States xjm

    And that was already in fact in my initial proposal from 2018, so I think we just need the wording change.

  • Status changed to Active over 1 year ago
  • 🇺🇸United States xjm

    Or well, no MR yet.

  • 🇺🇸United States xjm

    How about the slightly more specific:

    Plan "birds of a feather" meetings for major Drupal events on strategic core topics that require committer input.

    Or something.

    And again, I think ideally we would want to recruit additional committer team facilitators (somehow... possibly with funding) to assist with the process, because it's not scalable for it to rely only on @Gábor Hojtsy.

  • @quietone opened merge request.
  • 🇳🇿New Zealand quietone

    Re #5. I moved this to another issue because it was specific to one role. Perhaps, a better option would have been to split them in one issue per role but I was thinking that the role descriptions were already decided and this was not a complete review.

    Whether it is needed or not there is a MR available here.

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